(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[US Open Round 5 - 2008 US Go Congress - Juyong Koh (8d) vs Xuefen Lin (1p)]PW[Juyong Koh]PB[Xuefen Lin]WR[8d]BR[1p]DT[2008-08-08]EV[US Open]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Oren Laskin]C[Nick8a [2k\]: go b
USGO5 [-\]: Players are starting to enter the room
calm [6k\]: When are the American Masters gamers?
calm [6k\]: *games
USGO5 [-\]: 7pm tonight I believe, Ing North American Masters
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[qp]
;W[dq]
;B[oq]
;W[qj]
;B[do]
;W[co]
;B[dp]
;W[cp]C[Shana [3d\]: this game started first?
]
;B[eq]C[IstTengen [9k\]: eh.. yes?
]
;W[dr]
;B[dn]
;W[er]
;B[fq]
;W[bm]
;B[ql]C[bb123 [4k\]: they move fast,
]
;W[qf]C[manestor [7k\]: very fast
]
;B[nc]C[bb123 [4k\]: good players
manestor [7k\]: it's only classic fuseki
]
;W[rd]C[katori15 [4k\]: I thought r8  was the wrong direction?
]
;B[qh]
;W[of]
;B[pi]C[ArcLite [3k\]: not that i know of, extend in front of shimari is classic?
]
;W[qc]C[bb123 [4k\]: r8 with the left side like a box
]
;B[kc]C[ArcLite [3k\]: as far as i know either r13 or r8 can be played
manestor [7k\]: r8 goes well with the influence on the left
Gandohar [1k\]: r8 is the old move, r12 new
]
;W[pj]
;B[ni]
;W[oj]C[manestor [7k\]: p5  or  o4  could be quite interesting for w  later
]
;B[ng]
;W[pl]
;B[qm]
;W[mk]
;B[fc]C[Nick8a [2k\]: ehh
Nick8a [2k\]: not best points for invasion i thin k
Nick8a [2k\]: but the idea is good
]
;W[df]
;B[cc]
;W[dc]
;B[db]
;W[cd]
;B[bb]
;W[bc]
;B[cb]
;W[ld]
;B[lc]
;W[nd]C[IstTengen [9k\]: we kuys don't understand the point of any non-forced move i think.
Iceborg [6k\]: of any move
]
;B[li]C[takayanagi [4d\]: lol
katori15 [4k\]: We kyu's do not put me . . . okay yeah you are right
Iceborg [6k\]: hehe
IstTengen [9k\]: The first 3 and the last 3 perhaps? :)
]
;W[kk]
;B[ji]C[Iceborg [6k\]: I'd put all my cash on b here
katori15 [4k\]: well this looks like tit make the wall less profitible
manestor [7k\]: we kyus don't understand anything :(
]
;W[mc]
;B[mb]
;W[md]
;B[ob]C[manestor [7k\]: since i read "reducing enemy frameworks, i only do that, i don't invade any more
]
;W[kd]C[Criticface [11k?\]: i'm reading that right now. lol
manestor [7k\]: lots and lots of variations and examples
manestor [7k\]: it's interesting, but then you shouldn't forget about invading
gougou [1d\]: go juyong!!!!
USGO5 [-\]: Juyong has left the table for a bit while Xuefen has been thinking about her move
gougou [1d\]: he's recharging his lungs?
manestor [7k\]: k17 is big, but maybe submissive?
gougou [1d\]: k16 possible
manestor [7k\]: really?
gougou [1d\]: sure
]
;B[od]C[USGO5 [-\]: Now Xuefen leaves and no one is at the board
USGO5 [-\]: Each have used about 14 min of time
gougou [1d\]: they played twice as many moves as other top boards
USGO5 [-\]: Xuefen has returned to the table and now followed shortly by Juyong
gougou [1d\]: p16 makes w abit thin... makes black very thick...
]
;W[nf]C[USGO5 [-\]: I have to apologize but I made a major mistake earlier and fixing now
]
;AE[oq]AB[nq]C[USGO5 [-\]: P3->O3
starryeye [2k\]: ^_^ apology accept
katori15 [4k\]: As long as it was not I hit one of the players in the head
]
;B[ij]C[starryeye [2k\]: really?
]
;W[jc]
;B[jb]
;W[ib]
;B[kb]C[starryeye [2k\]: imagine during the game , both player hit others head
]
;W[ic]C[manestor [7k\]: :)
]
;B[ll]
;W[mj]
;B[pg]
;W[pf]
;B[ki]C[manestor [7k\]: interesting connection
]
;W[kj]
;B[il]
;W[on]C[USGO5 [-\]: One hour has passed since the start and the time has been used almost equally by each
]
;B[no]C[USGO5 [-\]: Juyong picked up a stone, held it for a bit, and put it back down
]
;W[lm]
;B[km]C[USGO5 [-\]: Xuefen has left the table
rapit [4k\]: how is xuefen lin doing... does she won her last game?
USGO5 [-\]: usgo.org should have previous results
USGO5 [-\]: Xufen has returned and Juyong plays
]
;W[ln]
;B[kl]
;W[ml]
;B[nn]
;W[nm]
;B[lp]
;W[kn]
;B[jp]
;W[in]
;B[im]
;W[ip]
;B[jo]
;W[jn]
;B[io]
;W[hn]
;B[gm]
;W[ho]
;B[hq]C[USGO5 [-\]: 90 minutes have now passed since start and time usage is still about equal
]
;W[fo]
;B[dl]
;W[hk]
;B[ik]
;W[oi]
;B[di]
;W[pb]C[gougou [1d\]: wow big sente
]
;B[pc]
;W[qb]
;B[la]
;W[bd]
;B[ab]C[gougou [1d\]: was m19 really necessary?
Enigmatic [11k\]: I trying to find a way for N18- group to live if B tenukis instead of playing m19. I can't find it though... so my "expert opinion" would be: yes, m19 necessary
]
;W[pp]C[gougou [1d\]: ya necessary.
]
;B[qo]
;W[oq]C[gougou [1d\]: ouch
gougou [1d\]: hard for black to answer
USGO5 [-\]: 2 hours of play complete, black used 62 min, white 589
USGO5 [-\]: 58
]
;B[qq]C[gougou [1d\]: how much time they have?
USGO5 [-\]: each have 2 hours with 5x 30s byoyomi
mahatma [1k\]: xuefen seems to play black in all her games
]
;W[np]
;B[mp]
;W[oo]
;B[op]
;W[ec]
;B[eb]
;W[np]
;B[cq]
;W[bq]
;B[op]
;W[oa]
;B[na]
;W[np]
;B[cr]
;W[br]
;B[op]
;W[jq]
;B[kq]
;W[np]
;B[cg]
;W[fd]
;B[gc]
;W[dg]
;B[dh]
;W[bg]
;B[op]
;W[kp]
;B[ko]
;W[np]
;B[ch]
;W[cf]
;B[op]
;W[lo]
;B[kp]
;W[np]
;B[bl]
;W[cm]
;B[cl]
;W[fh]
;B[op]
;W[fj]
;B[np]
;W[gl]
;B[gi]
;W[fi]
;B[fl]
;W[hm]
;B[if]
;W[he]
;B[ie]
;W[hd]C[USGO5 [-\]: 2 hours and 30 mins played, 45 min remaining each
zflyhorse [2k\]: looks  like   if  b  centra  dragon   live,   then   b  win  !   
]
;B[hg]
;W[lg]C[moonbow [2d\]: looks like a very difficult game
]
;B[kf]C[TheCaptain [4d\]: seems like w will catch the tail, but will it be enough?
]
;W[gh]
;B[hh]C[GiantCat [-\]: h11?
]
;W[hi]C[zflyhorse [2k\]: m14?
]
;B[lf]C[GiantCat [-\]: captain is right about tail but I don't see life
]
;W[mg]
;B[mf]
;W[nh]
;B[jd]C[trambeto [?\]: is a 1p supposed to be stronger than 8dan?
]
;W[ne]
;B[id]
;W[hc]
;B[ke]C[GiantCat [-\]: p ranks are closer together in the sense that differences are over many many games, fractions of a stone
zflyhorse [2k\]: b  live  
trambeto [?\]: white can kill black i think
Gandohar [1k\]: don´t guess, show a sequence
zflyhorse [2k\]: just  tail   cut
trambeto [?\]: start with j11
]
;W[bh]
;B[bi]C[trambeto [?\]: arent H4 q5 sente for white?
]
;W[gj]C[gougou [1d\]: w wins
gougou [1d\]: (i think)
gougou [1d\]: even if center lives all...
]
;B[ii]C[trambeto [?\]: E7 tesuji
]
;W[cj]C[gougou [1d\]: i guess simply s9 is enough
gougou [1d\]: oh... w wants to kill allllllll....
zflyhorse [2k\]: a 12 
trambeto [?\]: white should take a moment to count
gougou [1d\]: if w plays s9 i think it's enough to win
trambeto [?\]: but that is good timing to remove eye shape
trambeto [?\]: E7 tesuji coming
gougou [1d\]: or simply f6... then b is cut
trambeto [?\]: he has e4 cut later
trambeto [?\]: so one group or posibly both will die
gougou [1d\]: hard for white to lose here
gougou [1d\]: i guess black is thinking to resign
trambeto [?\]: H4 and Q5 are huge sente moves that white needs
trambeto [?\]: its painful for black
gougou [1d\]: q5 not really sente
trambeto [?\]: tru
gougou [1d\]: i bet b will resign now
]
;B[bj]
;W[dj]
;B[ah]
;W[bf]
;B[fn]C[trambeto [?\]: interesting
gougou [1d\]: protects both cuts
trambeto [?\]: e7 still works
gougou [1d\]: so does s9
trambeto [?\]: lol
trambeto [?\]: that is not very korean
gougou [1d\]: haha
trambeto [?\]: he smells blood
trambeto [?\]: let him fight
]
;W[gn]C[gougou [1d\]: na, this is not kgs
gougou [1d\]: they are pro
USGO5 [-\]: 30 min left for each now
gougou [1d\]: he smells the blood of VICTORY
trambeto [?\]: if you watch on Oro baduk
trambeto [?\]: they are crazy fighters
]
;B[eo]
;W[fm]C[trambeto [?\]: d12 has to die for sure
gougou [1d\]: s9 might be bigger
]
;B[em]
;W[en]
;B[dm]C[TheCaptain [4d\]: w g3?
trambeto [?\]: g2
trambeto [?\]: you mean
trambeto [?\]: right?
TheCaptain [4d\]: no, g3
gougou [1d\]: oh ya g3 is nice
gougou [1d\]: haha
trambeto [?\]: or for ko fight
trambeto [?\]: ?
gougou [1d\]: looks like g3 cuts
]
;W[gr]C[gougou [1d\]: g2 also cuts!!!
]
;B[ci]C[gougou [1d\]: do or die time for black
]
;W[ek]
;B[gq]
;W[fr]
;B[hr]
;W[rk]C[gougou [1d\]: haha finished now
zflyhorse [2k\]: still  very close
]
;B[gf]C[zflyhorse [2k\]: good
]
;W[ff]C[gougou [1d\]: w winning by 10+
USGO5 [-\]: majority of the other games in the room have ended
gougou [1d\]: not really close
trambeto [?\]: no SE is stupid
TheCaptain [4d\]: if w wins, will that be the third time he beat a pro in these tournaments?
trambeto [?\]: it has to be pretty close
]
;B[po]
;W[hp]
;B[iq]
;W[pn]C[gougou [1d\]: yep
trambeto [?\]: that was miai
]
;B[rl]C[gougou [1d\]: maybe e8 now?
]
;W[qk]
;B[pm]
;W[om]
;B[qn]
;W[gb]
;B[fb]
;W[pa]C[gougou [1d\]: hmm... n10 or e8 miai
USGO5 [-\]: black resigns
zflyhorse [2k\]: sadly  
gougou [1d\]: GO JUYONG
TheCaptain [4d\]: yes, congratulations
trambeto [?\]: wow
trambeto [?\]: juyong beat three pros?
trambeto [?\]: why isnt he a pro
])
